Alien figures
About 20 years ago, I got the shadowbox alien set. Among the ET types are the Roswell alien, above. I don't know if it's accurate, but it may be. The figure is based on the second hand testimony of Frankie Rowe and others.
The set includes the more typical gray alien (above, left) and the childlike neonate ET (right).
The more bizarre reported types, such as the "reptilian" ET (above, left) and the "insectoid" (right) are also included.
Lastly, the set has unusual humanlike beings, such as a "Man in Black" or MIB (above, left) and a "nordic" alien.
posted by starman at 10:38 AM
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That's an interesting collection. I like the variety of designs. The common factor among the figures is that they are bipedal. I think that skin color among extraterrestrials varies a lot. Some may be blue or purple. It's possible that there may be ETs whose skin coloration is multi-colored.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NV6wfeDjs&t=50m9s
Watch from 5:09 - I wonder what kind of scope is that..
Rifle appears briefly at 4:38
and again (completely visible) at 4:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Y8x_MeduM&t=286s
As NealRobbins said, very interesting collection!
I'm glad both of you find my collection interesting. I'm not sure if the shadowbox alien set is available anymore, or at a reasonable price. Mine are old and dusty. :)
Neal, I suspect many of the alien types reported are not naturally occurring lifeforms. (For example, I doubt insects or reptiles really evolved high intelligence.) They could be just other types in costumes, or beings created in some laboratory.
Not sure what to make of the very humanlike beings. Not all are bipedal, though. In at least one case a witness reported an octopoid alien.
March 27, 2018
The first vid was an interesting reenactment of the crossing. (In his book, Shazli said there are no genuine films of the crossing, all fake since he kept cameras out of the area.) It seems accurate, as it shows Egyptian losses as well as successes. I don't know, however, if the rafts in the initial crossing came under artillery fire, as shown. Small arms, certainly, but Iraqi Hunters knocked out Israel's 175mm guns and I don't know if others were present.
March 27, 2018
Correction the FIRST vid showed the sniper rifle, the second the crossing. Thanks very much for both!
March 27, 2018
Iraqi Hunters were involved in the initial air strike?! I didnt know that!! Possibly mortar fire? Plus yes and from the "attitude" of the troops you can tell its fake.
Yes Iraqi Hawker Hunters participated in the first strike and in a number of later ones. They knocked out some Israeli 175mm guns and other targets. There are some interesting accounts of later actions in Cooper’s ARAB MIGS —Vol 6 I think. (I’ll have to find the book and consult it.) EAF MIG-17s also achieved some successes.
March 28, 2018
Thats very interesting! BTW, I noticed that the time period between 1948 till 1956 didnt really receive a lot of spot lights although some interesting skirmishes/raids happened during that time.
Of course, in that period there were raids by Gaza Palestinians, and reprisals. By the way, one interesting account, in a Cooper volume, was about a raid by two EAF MIG-17s on October 14, 1973. One of them hit an Israeli ammo dump, and a cloud of soot from the detonation blinded his wingman, following behind. Although he could barely see, the pilot managed to land safely despite an order to bail out. I noticed how that account differs from what the other books say—EAF raids on the 14th didn’t cause any actual damage.
March 30, 2018
Yeah, those are cool! Since bipedal humanoids are likely the product of a very specific type of evolution, I can only think that the visitors are actually gardeners, creating living planets and populating them with collected or cultivated genetic material, or are some part of a "Contiguous Universe" as Podesta emails refer to. Just Dunno...
Hi Todd. Good to see you here. :)
I don't know if the shadowbox aliens are available for purchase anymore, at least not at a reasonable price.
I wouldn't be surprised if bipedal or manlike beings evolved naturally on a number of worlds. The lesson of our own solar system is that Earthlike conditions are the prerequisite for habitability. (Notice that studies of exoplanets judge their potential habitability on how closely they resemble Earth.) Assuming that's correct, similar evolutionary outcomes wouldn't be shocking.
That said, I do think that many reported alien types are phony in the sense of not being naturally evolved.
March 30, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q26jYsF_JIw
Remember battle of Ras El Esh we discussed? Here is a video from the IDF archive...
Thanks for the vid. Ras el-Esh (or Ush) was far from a major victory. But it showed the IDF could be stopped. Even a small success helped restore morale.
Of course, the sinking of Eilat in October '67 was also encouraging. :) Too bad the Egyptians didn't rescue and capture the IDF sailors from Eilat, before the Israelis got them. They would've made useful bargaining chips.
March 31, 2018
The weather is finally sunny and pleasant. March is going out like a lamb. :)
By the way, did you hear the report of two Israeli F-35s entering Iranian airspace? It may be a fake story, as a March 29 article argues:
https://theaviationist.com/
March 31, 2018
It is mild here in Arkansas. Spring has definitely arrived in this state. I had heard that a couple of Israeli planes flew over Iranian territory, though I don't know if it's true. Relations between Iran and Israel are not cordial.
I posted the link in a military forum, and people there are skeptical about the claim. As one poster said, sending F-35s over Iran would've been too risky. The story must've been just a PSYOPS operation.
Yesterday, March went out like a lamb. But tomorrow we're supposed to get snow! And I don't think the forecast is an April fool's joke. But snow in April isn't so uncommon. No doubt it'll melt soon.
April 1, 2018
Snow has occurred in April even in the South, so I'm not surprised if it occurs in the North. It has been raining here in Arkansas.
This morning it snowed heavily. Luckily it was slow to accumulate where it counted--on driveways and sidewalks. We've gotten considerably above normal snowfall this season.
Temperatures are supposed to get well above freezing by afternoon so maybe I won't have to shovel. But maybe I should, to reduce the mess...
By the way, Neal, have you ever seen anything which might've been a UFO (ET device)?
April 2, 2018
https://www.educacion-holistica.org/notepad/documentos/War/Fortress/Israeli%20Fortifications%20of%20the%20October%20War%201973.pdf
No snow here, but a substantial amount of rain. Back in 1996, I saw a bright object one night that made unusual maneuvers. It was able to make very quick turns without slowing down. I have often wondered about it.
http://www.helion.co.uk/wings-over-sinai-the-egyptian-air-force-during-the-sinai-war-1956.html
Thanks for more great links AdhamS. I already saw the ad for the book on the EAF in 1956. I was tempted to buy it, but am less interested in that than in more recent conflicts. Also, I thought the EAF was eliminated on the ground by British and French carrier jets. How could it have played much of a role in '56?
Neal, can you provide more details about your sighting? Could you discern a shape, or did you just see a light? What color(s) was it? Were there other witnesses?
April 3, 2018
What I saw was a light and it was white. I was the only witness. It was in March of 1996 at Dover.
I’ve heard of other cases where UFOs made abrupt, right angled turns, impossible for our aircraft. Your sighting sounds genuine. Did you ever report it?
April 4, 2018
Honestly, I do not deny the possibility of intelligent aliens existing (until we get a solid proof) but I have a lot of doubts regarding UFO sightings and reports of similar nature.
Anyways, here is something really quick to light
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/a/a8/IMG_191375927672294.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20150527153213
Thanks for the cartoon. "Wait for the winter" ha! So Soviet experience just wasn't applicable to Egypt's situation....
Regarding UFOs, I think I understand your doubts. If they were real there would be definitive proof of them by now, right? And it's also true the field is full of charlatans and misinformation. Still, I think the phenomenon is real, and alien visitors is the most parsimonious interpretation.
April 5, 2018
Starman, so sorry I got sick and I am having some drama at work, anyways; was it Iraqi pilots in the Iraqi hunter planes?
Plus group 73 historians released something that might be of interest for you ....the subtitles are mediocre at best but gets the job done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e435ZQDBFrY
Tutankhaten Pasheri aka Corvidius
Shazli was right about the crossing not being filmed. They filmed a reconstruction of the crossing a few days later, before it all went belly up for them. I was shown the film back in the days and it's the part with the high pressure water jets that gets shown as being "real". But they also reconstructed the logistics.
Aliens, yeah, that's a thing I guess, but not anywhere near pyramids, or Atlantis. My guess is that while the universe is teeming with life and we are certainly not alone, that if we have been visited, we would never know. Any civilization able to cross interstellar space will I'm sure have technology to defeat any detection systems we have. Anything that did get noticed, then we would pass it off as "magic".
Hi AdhamS, thanks for the vid. Funny indeed! I hadn't heard of this incident before. Probably not surprising--too embarrassing for the IAF to admit!
Hey Corvidius, good to see you overcame that issue and appeared here! :) Presumably all the crossing pics in books are reconstructions, weeks or months after the event. O'Ballance's NO VICTOR NO VANQUISHED has a pic of Egyptian troops coming ashore on the east bank. Strange there was a cameraman already there, photographing them from the front. One soldier is smiling...he was just acting.
You have an interesting point about the improbability of detection. I suppose one could argue that even an advanced civilization might not always be able--or bother to--project all of its capabilities to an extremely remote world. I've heard of UFOs which were detected by radar and others which weren't.
One thing seems fairly certain. Unusual craft, highly suggestive of advanced visitors, have been reported in great numbers, all over the world. The fact that ET does appear here and IS frequently noticed, suggests he deliberately chooses not to hide from us, at least not fully.
Some time ago, a book, REVEALED! THE GREATEST UFO SECRETS, claimed, among other things, that UFOs are meant to be observed. Not only are they detectable, they're often extremely conspicuous, albeit to limited numbers of observers at any one time.
April 8, 2018
Sorry AdhamS I forgot to answer your question. Yes Iraqi pilots flew Hunter planes on the Suez front in 1973. They were good, skilled pilots, who knew, among other things, not to be fooled by false Israeli messages, intended to confuse them or get them to abort their missions. The deceptive messages failed in part because they were sent out in arabic whereas the Iraqi pilots, trained in Britain, used English.
The Hunters managed to inflict serious losses on a few occasions but came under "friendly fire" from Egyptian AA gunners who thought they were Skyhawks.
April 8, 2018
Getting back to Israelis shooting down their own Mirages in 1973: Like the MIG-21, the Mirage was a delta wing fighter, so an Israeli pilot could have misidentified a friendly jet. This was possible under conditions of combat stress or poor visibility. If I remember right, the incident in that vid wasn't the only one; one Mirage shot down another during a dust storm over Hurghada.
April 8, 2018
Thats quite interesting. Thanks for the info, I actually never heard of that happening ever before. BTW, regarding pilot competencies, what were the main reasons for the Egyptian pilots being of "less quality" than the IAF? I dont think its fair to blame the Soviet doctrine as the Soviets proved to have the ability to trick the IAF during war of attrition into ambushes strategy wise and being much more skilled than the average Egyptian pilot.
I wonder if there are any confirmed kills by the North Koreans.
Some Egyptian pilots blamed Soviet training and doctrine. One said they were trained to fight at high altitude "when it was all fought on the deck."
In July 1970 the IAF ambushed Soviet fighters, shooting down 5 MIGs. I don't recall Soviet jets ambushing Israelis, at least not effectively, though they damaged a Skyhawk.
I'm not aware of any kills by North Koreans in Egypt. I think they were deployed well outside the main battle zone, near the Aswan Dam.
April 11, 2018
Here is something extra!
http://media.moddb.com/images/members/3/2589/2588908/profile/Untitled-1_m16_barlev.jpg
What the?! I never knew the IDF used M-16s in 73! I always thought it was FN FAL (and LMG variant) , captured AKMs and Uzis.....
I didn't know they had M-16s either. Early in 1973 there was a report on a new improved uzi--faster rate of fire. It didn't prevent the fall of the bar lev line, ha.
Btw any thoughts on the missile strikes in Syria? The claim that no missiles were downed by Syrian defenses certainly is at odds with Russia's claim that Syria shot down over half of them.
April 15, 2018
The big question, will Putin have the courage to retaliate? Right now he just got slapped real hard and humiliated.....not good for PR show.
Putin is not under great pressure to retaliate because no Russian positions were hit. Also because the missiles appear to have caused little real damage. Russia claims the targeted HQ and facilities were not even in use. I agree that this affair was humiliating but not really of much geopolitical significance. What matters is that Assad's forces are intact and able to continue crushing the rebels. I think Russia may give Syria better air defense assets and redouble (or at least continue) its military support for the SAA, as it seeks to take Idlib (perhaps after certain other areas).
April 15, 2018
Well, that's if the damage caused was truly insignificant and doesn't affect the current SAA operations of course. I think taking over Idlib is a bit too late now given that the Turks have established several observation points at demarcation lines. Perhaps Idlib was planned to fall in Turkish hands? Oh and if you didnt know- the rebels are in two camps now- Pro Turks/ Moderation VS. Fundamentalists, Alqaeda, Jihadists and intense fights did occur.
You can find videos of AL Qaeda BMP 1s getting ATGMed ....ha....life is full of surprises.
The Salafis/ Wahhabis ruined the revolution and gave the West and East a pretext to intervene.
I think the Syrians and Russians will seek to demonstrate they aren't intimidated and will launch vigorous new offensives. It's possible they'll target some other area(s) first, and go after Idlib later. But they might try to overcome Idlib sooner. On another board a poser suggested it will be the next objective and nobody said the Turks will stop them. I don't think they would, with Russia backing Assad.
Btw the weather this Aoril has been awful. This morning there was frozen precipitation on the ground, almost a month after the start of spring....
April 16, 2018
Now I hear the SAA is preparing to eliminate the yarmouk camp near Damascus, and there's action near Homs
April 16, 2018
Yup, I hope the rebels there surrender as they most likely have no heavy weapons plus defeat is assured. ISIS on the other hand should be wiped out clean...no prisoners whatsoever.
Anyways, regarding jets- Did the Egyptian fighter program get cancelled due to Soviet pressure or financial complications? I heard that the Soviets gave Egypt an ultimatum either to cancel the program or no more migs. Which doesnt make much sense because of Soviet interest in the region and they are literally ending their influence in the region if that was the case. Egypt could have went to the Chinese! Type 59s...ADVANCE! *Gets one shotted by a Sho't Kal* Cyka Blyat - in Mandarin....
If the rebels failed to hold East Ghouta, despite many defenders and much reparation, what makes them think they can hold out anywhere? Yes, the rebels should just surrender, in exchange for amnesty (in some cases at least).
It would be great if the SAA can take the area along the Golan and Jordan soon.
As for the Egyptian fighter program: Around 1972 a Soviet representative asked Sadat to dump Heikal and Sidky in exchange for Soviet help in enabling Egypt to build its own arms manufacturing capability. Prior to that, Cairo had a fledgling program before the 1967 war but it was ended at that time. They built a few trainers or small jets. Later, around the mid '70s there was talk of an AOI, an Arab Organization for Industrialization. Funded by gulf money, the program was intended, if I remember correctly, to enable Egypt to build its own warplanes and other modern arms. But the AOI collapsed when the Saudis withdrew funding due to the Egypt-Israel peace treaty of 1979.
April 16, 2018
Correction: first sentence above "reparation" should be "preparation."
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